Dr. Cedars will strongly encourage an elective single embryo transfer...is very intelligent and is very busy. More times than not you will be seeing others doctors on her time, all of which who are very friendly and have good bedside manner...the medications she prescribed for my egg retrieval were spot on. I was at risk for Hyper Ovarian Stimulation and she wanted to keep my dosage pretty low, we got a FANTASTIC result, of 31 eggs retrieved, 14 of which turned into 5-6 day blastocysts. When it came to my first transfer, we did a transfer without antagonist. The first transfer did not result in pregnancy, and now we are awaiting an appointment to change our protocol.
We did Two Round Success Plan with ARC Financing [at UCSF]. It was around $40k for that...the meds here are significantly discounted...meaning you maybe pay a few hundred for all the meds here versus 5-6k. The PGS testing we had done on our embryos was somewhere around 2-3k...It can sometimes feel like you get lost in the shuffle, as there's not a lot of support like you might receive from smaller clinics. For example, when we were waiting to see what embryos made it to blastocyst, while some clinics would call you on Day 1, 3, 5, 6... we didn't get a call until Day 7 with the results. So its definitely less personal that way.. but I find the knowledge of the doctors far outweighs the support I may receive during the process. This is however something they could majorly improve on.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
While I didn't see Dr. Cedars very often, the medications she prescribed for my egg retrieval were spot on. I was at risk for Hyper Ovarian Stimulation and she wanted to keep my dosage pretty low, we got a FANTASTIC result, of 31 eggs retrieved, 14 of which turned into 5-6 day blastocysts. When it came to my first transfer, we did a transfer without antagonist. The first transfer did not result in pregnancy, and now we are awaiting an appointment to change our protocol.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Ask as many questions as you like, she's very knowledgeable and understanding.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Cedars is very intelligent and is very busy. More times than not you will be seeing others doctors on her time, all of which who are very friendly and have good bedside manner.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
The treatment strategy for my egg retrieval was very successful. The treatment strategy for my first transfer didn't result in pregnancy, although my lining was really good (14 mm), so will be looking to change the protocol.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Katherine Porras)
The nursing staff at UCSF is very kind and compassionate. I found if I need an immediate response to select their immediate care line, otherwise emailing my care team, they were usually responsive within 24 hours.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
It can sometimes feel like you get lost in the shuffle, as there's not a lot of support like you might receive from smaller clinics. For example, when we were waiting to see what embryos made it to blastocyst, while some clinics would call you on Day 1, 3, 5, 6... we didn't get a call until Day 7 with the results. So its definitely less personal that way.. but I find the knowledge of the doctors far outweighs the support I may receive during the process. This is however something they could majorly improve on.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
We did Two Round Success Plan with ARC Financing. It was around $40k for that... the meds here are significantly discounted... meaning you maybe pay a few hundred for all the meds here versus 5-6k. The PGS testing we had done on our embryos was somewhere around 2-3k.
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
Dr. Cedars will strongly encourage an elective single embryo transfer.
What specific things went wrong at UCSF?
Failed to call with results
Describe the specific things that went wrong at UCSF.
Regarding the embryos that made it to blastocyst, I didn't feel as supported as I would have maybe preferred. Calling on Day 7 isn't the greatest when its already an anxiety ridden process. Also when I got my embryo transfer there were zero calls or emails of support wondering how I was doing, which I think a clinic should implement as it is a very hard (and seems like long), and emotional waiting period.
It's disheartening when you have invested a ton of emotional energy -- not to mention money -- and the doctor and/or staff get things wrong or forget you have already completed steps. I know it's a busy clinic and that Dr. Cedars is a leader in her field, but when you're investing so many resources, you want to feel like people have taken time to look at your chart or to gather the correct information before meeting with you.
Everyone I encounter [at UCSF]is very nice. I work with Ruth, mainly. She can seem very overwhelmed, but she's always been responsive. It's hard to get her live on the phone, so it's a great deal of listening to each other's voicemails or reading messages in the portal....The actual clinic is in a very newly constructed, modern facility. Everything feels new and clean....It's disheartening when you have invested a ton of emotional energy -- not to mention money -- and the doctor and/or staff get things wrong or forget you have already completed steps.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She clearly knows what she's doing and her reputation precedes her. She sees so many patients -- like all fertility doctors -- so I don't expect a touchy feely connection with her, but it does feel like this is a transaction. There was another doctor I was interested in--outside of UCSF-- but I couldn't afford him, unfortunately.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Just know this is a very western, clinical, transactional experience, but you should be in good hands.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
It's disheartening when you have invested a ton of emotional energy -- not to mention money -- and the doctor and/or staff get things wrong or forget you have already completed steps. I know it's a busy clinic and that Dr. Cedars is a leader in her field, but when you're investing so many resources, you want to feel like people have taken time to look at your chart or to gather the correct information before meeting with you.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
Right now, I'm just increasing estrogen intake and taking progesterone to force a period. We haven't moved into the actual IVF protocol yet.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Ruth)
Everyone I encounter is very nice. I work with Ruth, mainly. She can seem very overwhelmed, but she's always been responsive. It's hard to get her live on the phone, so it's a great deal of listening to each other's voicemails or reading messages in the portal.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
A huge strength is that it's near my house. The previous clinic was in Irvine (I'm in the bay area). The actual clinic is in a very newly constructed, modern facility. Everything feels new and clean. I haven't done very much other than meet with Dr. Cedars and the care team, so I cannot speak to the treatment rooms as much. I will say that I would strongly advise against meeting with Dr. Laurie Pasch, the clinic psychologist, and meet with Dr. Holley instead.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
All in, to have donor eggs, using a known sperm donor (we froze his sperm at UCSF) and one transfer (no testing, no ICSI -- all of those costs are extra), it will be a little over $30,000.
I felt that Dr.Cedars actively listened to our history and clearly had read over our records prior to the consultation. She explained her reasonings for the desired treatment plan in a way that I was able to understand. ... She had a calmness to her presence which was very important to us. ... Our treatment cycle consisted of Letrozole 5mg starting CD2 x 5 days.*We had previously done 3 IUIs with clomid
The office [UCSF] has separatewaiting areas depending on what procedure you're there fkr (u/s, specimen collection, IUI). The "checkout" process was sort of confusing having to back to the front desk staff anticipating they know what your next schedule will be. When paying for services (we decided to pay cash) they staff was somewhat unprepared to handle that process. They do not have a cash register and are unable to give change.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She had a calmness to her presence which was very important to us. When explaining her treatment plans, she provided credible sources (studies/journals) to further ensure us the information was up to date.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Be prepared to see other providers for most of the visits, who may not fully understand your specific case as well as Dr. Cedars. All questions which that require detailed responses she be directed to her nurses who can give direct messages to Dr. Cedars.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
I felt that Dr.Cedars actively listened to our history and clearly had read over our records prior to the consultation. She explained her reasonings for the desired treatment plan in a way that I was able to understand.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
Our treatment cycle consisted of Letrozole 5mg starting CD2 x 5 days.*We had previously done 3 IUIs with clomid 100mg with our 1st clinic.*
U/S follicle check on CD 12 showed 2 follicles; 21mm and 13mm. With a lining of 11.4mm. *We did not see Dr.Cedars at this visit*
Was told to trigger shot the following night CD 13. And returned to clinic on CD14 for "specimen collection" and IUI. *We did not see Dr.Cedars for this procedure visit*
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Jill and Ruth)
Ruth was great with communication. She was very sweet each time we spoke, answered my questions quickly and even set up a call with Dr.Cedars when my questions were beyond her knowledge of advice.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
Very clean and upscale/modern feels. The office has separatewaiting areas depending on what procedure you're there fkr (u/s, specimen collection, IUI).
The "checkout" process was sort of confusing having to back to the front desk staff anticipating they know what your next schedule will be.
When paying for services (we decided to pay cash) they staff was somewhat unprepared to handle that process. They do not have a cash register and are unable to give change.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
Consult including u/s $250.
The medication protocol at discount pharmacy was $30.
The follicle scan, sperm wash and IUI - $1566.00
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
We were not at the IVF stage yet. But when i did ask her approach to single vs multiple embryo transfer she advised that in for personal case that a single would be plenty as multiple can increase health risks for mom and baby(s)
She was the first doctor in our process to outline our options and give us hope. Her attention and knowledge were outstanding. ... Due to high risk of OHSS -I had 33 follicles during the initial consult-, Dr. Cedars treated me with an antagonist protocol. ... Doctor Cedars took the time to explain our diagnosis and options. She answers many questions during the course of treatment
I worked with Katharine and Ruthie [nurses at UCSF] and they were both outstanding. They would follow up with me within minutes of me sending them messages, they were on top of the schedule and reacted quickly when we had to make changes (i.e. initiating stimulation a week earlier due to my menses being early). ... I never had to wait more than 5 minutes for any of my appointments and I loved finding a book of notes for patients by patients that made me feel understood and less lonely going through the process.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
After a year of trying and getting no answers from Kaiser we transferred our case to UCSF and Dr. Cedars saw us immediately, used the battery of tests we had done through Kaiser to diagnose us and gave us a path forward. She was the first doctor in our process to outline our options and give us hope. Her attention and knowledge were outstanding. To date (we are awaiting to see if the Fresh transfer worked), we joke that we may call any future daughters of ours Marcelle after the doctor.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Trust the doctor
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Doctor Cedars took the time to explain our diagnosis and options. She answers many questions during the course of treatment and she worked with Dr. Smith who was treating my husband. She was extremely positive and even conducted some procedures like the saline sonogram herself.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
Due to high risk of OHSS -I had 33 follicles during the initial consult-, Dr. Cedars treated me with an antagonist protocol. We started with 75 Menopur and 150 Gonal-F. After 10 days, my estradiol levels went down (one big follicle collapsed) and we increased the dose of Menopur to two vials. Two days later we triggered and we got 19 eggs (all 19 mature).
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Katharine Porras)
I worked with Katharine and Ruthie and they were both outstanding. They would follow up with me within minutes of me sending them messages, they were on top of the schedule and reacted quickly when we had to make changes (i.e. initiating stimulation a week earlier due to my menses being early). I have really enjoyed working with them and I have felt very cared for.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
The facilities have to be the best in the country. The Mission Bay Campus is incredible. I never had to wait more than 5 minutes for any of my appointments and I loved finding a book of notes for patients by patients that made me feel understood and less lonely going through the process.
Describe your experience with your monitoring appointments at UCSF.
Monitoring was done in the mornings and it was very convenient as it was from 7 AM until 9 AM which meant not having to miss work. It was extremely easy to get appointments and I was always able to get them at my preferred time.
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
The doctor strongly recommended eSET due to my egg, hormonal levels and health history. She also recommended a fresh transfer after monitoring me daily from day 5 of stims.
She [Dr. Cedars] is kind, forthright, and thoughtful, and takes the time to explain treatment options....She’s amazing but busy. She takes the time to call and speak with you directly with positive or negative news. I’ve advocated for myself and I think that has paid off in getting the care I deserve. Her ability to lay out all of the options clearly and address all of my concerns is why I continue to pursue treatment with her and UCSF.
This is my fourth fertility clinic (third one for treatment) and I love everything about UCSF. Yes it’s a huge research institution and there can be a lot of patients in the waiting areas and treatment lounges, but I feel like each interaction with me directly is personalized for my protocol....The biggest issue with Dr Cedars is the continued revolving door of the staff. As soon as you build rapport with one, they leave. There are other permanent staff but they are not as diligent on details as previous coordinators were.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She’s amazing but busy. She takes the time to call and speak with you directly with positive or negative news. I’ve advocated for myself and I think that has paid off in getting the care I deserve. Her ability to lay out all of the options clearly and address all of my concerns is why I continue to pursue treatment with her and UCSF.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Do your research and advocate for yourself. Ask questions if anything is unclear. She is super busy, so determine the answers you can get from your care team and those you need from Dr Cedars.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She is kind, forthright, and thoughtful, and takes the time to explain treatment options.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
I’ve only done one donor egg IVF cycle with Dr Cedars but two transfers. The first protocol was Lupron, then estrogen patches, then progesterone, medrol five days before the transfer and Valium for the transfer. I was also taking a huge amount of supplements (Vitamins B,C,D,E, iron, baby aspirin, ubiquinol, metafolinic). Unfortunately my lining was insufficient for my transfer so Dr Cedars ordered an ERA and I had a mock transfer to see if my uterus was receptive.
Once the data came back that I am pre-receptive, she removed Lupron from my protocol during my next cycle and kept everything else.
Although the transfer was smooth, that round was unsuccessful.
I’m waiting for the sign off for my next DEIVF round.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Teona, Julie, Anne, Ruth)
The biggest issue with Dr Cedars is the continued revolving door of the staff. As soon as you build rapport with one, they leave. There are other permanent staff but they are not as diligent on details as previous coordinators were.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
This is my fourth fertility clinic (third one for treatment) and I love everything about UCSF. Yes it’s a huge research institution and there can be a lot of patients in the waiting areas and treatment lounges, but I feel like each interaction with me directly is personalized for my protocol.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
I’m pretty privileged in that I received a gift from a family member to pay for costs not covered by insurance, and that my insurance at first covered 50 percent (and has increased to 85 percent) for my treatment. So my costs are variable but I think we probably paid out of pocket for procedures less than $5K (donor-related items are not covered by insurance and for a frozen round the cost is over $13K).
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
Dr Cedars is complete pro-eSET. For the first round I agreed; as I face my second round I am leaning toward a multiple embryo transfer.
What specific things went wrong at UCSF?
Provided conflicting information
Describe the specific things that went wrong at UCSF.
This is in reference to the challenges with Dr Cedars’s care team. One staff called me with completely incorrect information regarding my protocol and I was frustrated to have to correct them when I know they have access to my file. Just seemed lazy.
Dr. Cedars came across as friendly, kind, and thoughtful. She is a very busy person, but when she's with you, she really gives you all her focus and never makes you feel rushed or like a burden. I felt like I could put a lot of trust in her ... I did a "mini stim" protocol due to my young age, my fertility being unexplained, and the fact that this was my first time doing IVF.
They [UCSF] won't be pushing any treatment you don't actually need. They offer mini-stim IVF for a fraction of the price of IVF at most places, which is a big reason I traveled from MT for my treatment. ... The one thing I will say they fall short of is communicating and getting the ball rolling quickly with starting your care. It can take months to get your first appointment, and we had to be persistent and annoying to get things going in our treatment.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Cedars came across as friendly, kind, and thoughtful. She is a very busy person, but when she's with you, she really gives you all her focus and never makes you feel rushed or like a burden. I felt like I could put a lot of trust in her, and that she was doing everything she could to ensure the best outcome for me.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She can be hard to get ahold of, and you likely won't see her much during your treatment
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
In the few interactions with Dr. Cedars I had, she was very nice and friendly, and made me feel comfortable in conversation.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
I did a "mini stim" protocol due to my young age, my fertility being unexplained, and the fact that this was my first time doing IVF. It aims for quality over quantity, and results in fewer eggs maturing at once, but increases the likely hood that they will fertilize, and also increases the odds of a fresh transfer. This protocol involved taking clomid day 2-6, then starting injections on day 6 (150 iu of gonal-f, ganirelix, and 75 IU Menopur until trigger). We found out around trigger day that my uterine lining was too thin for a fresh transfer most likely a side effect of the clomid. I also had a low follicle count, and it took some finessing to get a few to maturity at the same time, and by trigger day, it looked like we had 3 good ones, and 5 small ones. We were able to retrieve 6, but given the maturity level, it wasn't much of a surprise that only 2 fertilized. Luckily, of those 2, they both made it to day 3, and were frozen for a later transfer. They were rated well, both grade 2, one was an 8 cell, one was a 6. I participated in a study for my treatment, comparing IVF to Invocell, and was chosen for IVF. The study was a mini-stim protocol, and compares day 3 embryos, so my treatment was tailored to my needs within the parameters of the study. However they wouldn't have accepted me for the study if I hadn't been a good candidate, so I trust that it was right for me.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Jill Ford)
Jill was great, she responded quickly to my emails and calls, and helped me understand what I needed to do and when.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
UCSF is amazing because its a not for profit fertility center, with a large volume of patients, meaning lots of experience, and motivation to learn more and be at the forefront of research and new treatment, while also not trying to necessarily make money, like many fertility centers do. Knowing this makes you feel very assured that they are looking out for your best interests, and not their own! They won't be pushing any treatment you don't actually need. They offer mini-stim IVF for a fraction of the price of IVF at most places, which is a big reason I traveled from MT for my treatment. Also, everyone I dealt with there was so nice. Even the people who were way overworked made me feel like they really cared about me in our interactions. The one thing I will say they fall short of is communicating and getting the ball rolling quickly with starting your care. It can take months to get your first appointment, and we had to be persistent and annoying to get things going in our treatment. Once things start though, it's a pretty smooth engine.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
We had no insurance coverage, and Mini Stim IVF is normally around $5500, but we were able to participate in a study that made it $4816 (that includes anesthesia, but also is only for a set amount of appointments, so it can go up a little depending on if you need more monitoring) and then an additional $700 for a year of embryo storage. They refund you for whatever is left over, if you have to stop at any point in the process. They also have a pharmacy next door, that is discounted and it easily saved us thousands of dollars. All in we paid around $300 for all my meds combined!
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
She originally suggested I transfer both, just out of convenience since I have to travel for my care. However I felt strongly that I only wanted to transfer 1, and not take on the risk of multiples. She was completely on board with that and supported my choice!
Dr Cedars was empathetic and understanding. She patiently answered our questions and walked us through each process. I felt like she had a wealth of knowledge about current fertility medicine practices. ... When it was clear we were undergoing a missed miscarriage, Dr Cedars performed the manual aspiration. When we moved over to IVF, a few things fell through the cracks.
UCSF CRH is a big place, they see a lot of patients. I didn't necessarily want to form personal relationships with the staff, but I also didn't want to be another random warm body. I felt they struck a reasonable balance in this. ... As I mentioned, my varicella immunity was low. This didn't seem to be an issue for IUI treatment as a clinical trial patient, but it was as a cash-paying IVF patient. ...
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr Cedars was empathetic and understanding. She patiently answered our questions and walked us through each process. I felt like she had a wealth of knowledge about current fertility medicine practices.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Ask direct questions and expect direct answers.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
UCSF CRH is a big place, they see a lot of patients. I didn't necessarily want to form personal relationships with the staff, but I also didn't want to be another random warm body. I felt they struck a reasonable balance in this.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
Six IUIs with 50mg Clomid and HCG trigger. Lupron demi-halt IVF cycle, two weeks of stimulation/superovulation with Gonal-F and Menopur, HCG trigger. ICSI and potential use of microfluidic chip (FERTILE) as part of a clinical trial -- we were blindly randomized, so I don't know if our sample went through the usual preparation or the chip process.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Jill Ford)
During 2016 and 2017, I took part in two clinical trials. For both, the research coordinator, Becca Wong, was my main point of contact. Becca was great throughout, easily accessible, compassionate, funny. Even during her own pregnancy, I never felt anxious or envious. When we moved on to IVF, Jill Ford and Ruthie were our main contacts. I met each of them once only, but we spoke on the phone several times and emailed a lot.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
I am very grateful to CRH. I learnt a lot from the staff. The process of going through six IUIs over two years, as a clinical trial patient, meant I paid $0 for this treatment, and received great care. It was so nice not to even think about insurance or payment during this part of our treatment.
My final round of IUI in 2017 resulted in a positive test. My blood HCG tests were low and rose slowly. For a while we were in limbo, anxious especially about an ectopic pregnancy. All throughout, Becca was available and supportive. I met with Dr Cedars at this time too, who was candid about the chances of the pregnancy going to term. When it was clear we were undergoing a missed miscarriage, Dr Cedars performed the manual aspiration.
When we moved over to IVF, a few things fell through the cracks. Becca had advised I have my OB order some blood tests, including for STDs, and immunity to several diseases. Nobody told me that my varicella (chicken pox) immunity was low and I ought to be re-vaccinated. It wasn't until Jill was running through the pre-IVF checklist that she asked me the result of these tests. (I had allowed my OB's office to share the results with UCSF CRH, so I was under the impression they'd already seen them). The two vaccines and a month "on the bench" pushed back our start date.
Also: at one point Dr Cedars mentioned we'd be eligible for a study which would cover the cost of our stimulation medications. I'd done some research and knew this was potentially a large cost. A few months went by (see above) and I asked the study's coordinator if we were enrolled. He responded that we were ineligible, and that he'd told us that several months ago. This obviously wasn't the case.
Fortunately, we were able to buy our meds from Disco Rex, the Walgreens Speciality Pharmacy in Palo Alto, for under $300 total. This was thanks to the 340B Network Pharmacy Program, as cash-paying outpatients of UCSF. Nobody mentioned this program to me at any point until I was prescribed the drugs, and it would definitely have influenced our clinic selection decision. I wish CRH made a bigger deal of it!
The only other complaint I have is a very minor one: the IVF calendar I received was ugly and a little bit confusing. It looked unprofessional, with no branding, lots of different fonts/text sizes, etc. Random reminders were scattered on various days. Other paperwork we received was also oddly-formatted or a copied copy. I feel sure UCSF has communication staff who would be able to create more professional templates.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
Stimulation monitoring: $4,267
Egg retrieval $2,240
Fertilization and culture $3,365
Embryo transfer $2,810
Embryo cryopreservation (1 year) $1,753
I also paid a few hundred dollars for two ultrasounds after pregnancy was confirmed.
As a clinical trial patient, I underwent six IUIs at zero cost. I was also treated for the missed miscarriage, including the manual aspiration procedure, at no cost. There was some confusion as to the status of these treatments, at one point I made a last-minute appointment to see my OB to take over my care. I'm not sure, but I believe CRH staff pulled some strings in order to have my care covered by the study, which, obviously, I greatly appreciate.
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
We only ever considered transferring a single embryo.
What specific things went wrong at UCSF?
Lost results
Provided conflicting information
Failed to convey critical information
Describe the specific things that went wrong at UCSF.
As I mentioned, my varicella immunity was low. This didn't seem to be an issue for IUI treatment as a clinical trial patient, but it was as a cash-paying IVF patient.
Dr. Cedars is a really wonderful mixture of realistic and hopeful. She knew I was upset once and called me at 6 one evening to offer encouragement.... Dr. Cedars saw me in 2015 for a consultation and full PCOS work up and was realistic but very hopeful. In 2018 when my husband and I wanted to start trying I made an appointment and she didn't make me jump through any hoops to get treatment she just read my file and knew with my PCOS it would be silly to wait and started me on treatment.
The clinic [UCSF - San Fransisco] has 2 different offices. The one of Illinois St in Mission Bay is FAR superior than the old Mt. Zion clinic. I'm sure they are both perfectly clean and sanitary but the Mission Bay Clinic is just so much more inviting, clean looking... The clinic initially charged me $747 out of pocket for a transvaginal ultrasound. I later thought it odd so called my insurance and turns out whoever does billing never even sent the request to my insurance. It took me weeks but eventually after fighting it out with UCSF
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Cedars saw me in 2015 for a consultation and full PCOS work up and was realistic but very hopeful. In 2018 when my husband and I wanted to start trying I made an appointment and she didn't make me jump through any hoops to get treatment she just read my file and knew with my PCOS it would be silly to wait and started me on treatment. My insurance was not understanding that despite my age I couldn't "just keep trying" so she scheduled a peer-to-peer and went to bat for me to get my treatments covered. She then called me after and said "they understand much better now, we got you 4 cycles covered and if those don't work we will get more." She is really incredible.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Make any appointment months before you think you may need it - she books up fast (I waited 3 months for my appointment.)
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Cedars is a really wonderful mixture of realistic and hopeful. She knew I was upset once and called me at 6 one evening to offer encouragement.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
I have PCOS so my eggs and follicles are fine but I do not ovulate and do not have a period unless I am on birth control or other period-inducing medication. Dr. Cedars has used this for 2 cycles and I have ovulated but have not become pregnant yet.
Cycle 1:
(Medroxyprogesterone) Provera 5mg x 12 days
Await period
Letrozole (Femara) 2.5mg x 5 days
Start intercourse every other day starting CD 10 then every other day until you ovulate then sex on that day and the following day. Complete pregnancy test in 15 days.
The second cycle was the exact same but she doubled my Femara dose to 5mg.
Next time around (if I am not pregnant this cycle) we will do the same thing but add in a transvaginal ultrasound to see what my ovaries are doing.
So far, I have no become pregnant at all but Dr. Cedars says "there is still a lot of hope" which as been very helpful.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Ruth and Jill)
I am not sure which nurse is my primary but I have worked with both Jill and Ruth. They are very kind, Ruth especially is very energetic and positive. My only complaint is that they have not been very good with phone or e-mail communication. There have been a few times where my emails went unanswered for several days. Other than that they are great.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
The clinic has 2 different offices. The one of Illinois St in Mission Bay is FAR superior than the old Mt. Zion clinic. I'm sure they are both perfectly clean and sanitary but the Mission Bay Clinic is just so much more inviting, clean looking, and also I think they have more advanced technology but I could be wrong about that.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
Ok for the good there was one billing person who was helpful however never even thought of being a peer-to-peer until I asked which seems odd (especially because it worked). Once I did ask for it she happily coordinated and Dr. Cedars did it and it worked! Super thankful for that.
Ok this is where stuff really lagged. The clinic initially charged me $747 out of pocket for a transvaginal ultrasound. I later thought it odd so called my insurance and turns out whoever does billing never even sent the request to my insurance. It took me weeks but eventually after fighting it out with UCSF (nobody from the main billing center ever responded to my 3-5 phone calls and 2 emails) and my insurance rep they charged my insurance appropriately and refunded the bill entirely. Had I not had the skills to fight it though or been struggling with anxiety or depression like so many women in my situation I could have never gotten that money back.
Dr. Ceders was incredibly kind and compassionate yet very honest, realistic and pragmatic in her approach. She used data and science to drive her decisions yet she was willing to try new approaches to see what could work. She was available whenever needed and would take time to answer all of my questions. She never made us feel rushed and ensured all of our questions and concerns were addressed. She never over promised and was fact-based. We trusted her expertise, knowledge and track record. I would recommend her for anyone.
Clinic [UCSF] is clean, organized and a well oiled machine. They can see well over 100 patients on any given day and so they have a nice routine and professional set up. The receptionists, nurses, and staff are all super friendly and nice. They know what they are doing and they do it very well. The finance team was more difficult to work with and less responsive. The most consistent problem I had was dealing with finanacial counselors who were hardly available and again not very available or accommodating.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Ceders is a trail blazer in this field and I was very excited and eager to work with her. She was exceptionally knowledgeable and informative. She would take calculated risks and use data and science as her guide. She was compassionate and kind in her engagement with us and we felt she had great bed-side manners.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She will tell it to you straight and use data and science - not sales tactics - to help you make decisions. She listens well and incorporates your input and concerns in her process without compromising your care and what’s best for you.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Ceders was incredibly kind and compassionate yet very honest, realistic and pragmatic in her approach. She used data and science to drive her decisions yet she was willing to try new approaches to see what could work. She was available whenever needed and would take time to answer all of my questions. She never made us feel rushed and ensured all of our questions and concerns were addressed. She never over promised and was fact-based. We trusted her expertise, knowledge and track record. I would recommend her for anyone.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
My procedure included a pre-cycle of estrogen patches the cycle before retrieval. Then during retrieval cycle she prescribed Clomid for 5 days with Gonal F for about 10 days and Ganirelix and Menopur for last 3-5 days before triggering. We retrieved the eggs for inseminination then growing for 7 days and PGS testing then freezing until ready for transfer. This was due to low ovarian reserve and therefore were ‘harvesting’ as much as possible to get the number we wanted.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Teona Gurkan)
Teona was by far another main reason I decided to work with Dr. Ceders-aside from Dr. Ceders’ excellent credentials. Teona is a very kind, genuine, compassionate and down to earth Nurse. She is funny, sweet and excellent bedside manners. You connect with Teona very quickly and you feel cared for by her. She has an ease and positive vibe about her that makes her very likeable and approachable. She is very organized, responsive and diligent. She also told us about the out of pocket discount on medications which UCSF has that saved us at least 5K each round. I recommend working with her 100%.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
Clinic is clean, organized and a well oiled machine. They can see well over 100 patients on any given day and so they have a nice routine and professional set up. The receptionists, nurses, and staff are all super friendly and nice. They know what they are doing and they do it very well. The finance team was more difficult to work with and less responsive. The most consistent problem I had was dealing with finanacial counselors who were hardly available and again not very available or accommodating.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
Out of pocket about 14K plus about $300-400 for meds, plus 2.5K separate payment for PGS testing to outside company. Insurance out of pocket about 2-5K for each round. I did 5 rounds of retrieval only, two out of pocket and 3 with insurance.
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
Dr. Ceders recommends single embryo transfer due to better mother and baby health and so we will go with her recommendation.
Dr. Marcelle Cedars was relentlessly human with us at every turn. We never felt like she was annoyed or rushed - rather, she took time to explain everything to us and even to explain historical aspects to us. We have never experienced care like hers. It was the most incredible experience amidst an otherwise painful and challenging experience.... We finally found success using a luteal phase start. This way, they were able to catch the follicles before just one was recruited. It was a brilliant pivot when we kept having just one or two dominant follicles. As a result, we were able to recruit 7 mature eggs, all of which fertilized and grew to day 3.
[UCSF has a] Beautiful space Affordable compared to private clinics Great care all around Quick to call with test results Private post op rooms Views of the Bay Waiting rooms got a little crowded and the reading materials could be updated but who cares, really.... We finally found success using a luteal phase start. This way, they were able to catch the follicles before just one was recruited. It was a brilliant pivot when we kept having just one or two dominant follicles. As a result, we were able to recruit 7 mature eggs, all of which fertilized and grew to day 3. Just 4 made it to day 5. The other KEY thing about UCSF/Marcelle Cedars unlike previous experiences is her willingness to pivot when things weren't going as she or we had hoped. There was next to no ego or pretense. Just the very best care every time.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
The very best.
I want E V E R Y O N E we know to go see Marcelle Cedars. She is a miracle worker and generally an incredible person. The most human doctor we've encountered in this very fraught field
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
GO SEE HER!
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Marcelle Cedars was relentlessly human with us at every turn. We never felt like she was annoyed or rushed - rather, she took time to explain everything to us and even to explain historical aspects to us.
We have never experienced care like hers. It was the most incredible experience amidst an otherwise painful and challenging experience.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
We finally found success using a luteal phase start.
This way, they were able to catch the follicles before just one was recruited. It was a brilliant pivot when we kept having just one or two dominant follicles.
As a result, we were able to recruit 7 mature eggs, all of which fertilized and grew to day 3. Just 4 made it to day 5.
The other KEY thing about UCSF/Marcelle Cedars unlike previous experiences is her willingness to pivot when things weren't going as she or we had hoped.
There was next to no ego or pretense. Just the very best care every time.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Jill Ford)
Jill Ford is equally awesome and human and all around an incredible care giver.
Smart, compassionate, genuine, human.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
Beautiful space
Affordable compared to private clinics
Great care all around
Quick to call with test results
Private post op rooms
Views of the Bay
Waiting rooms got a little crowded and the reading materials could be updated but who cares, really.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
18k
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
She is was very compassionate, understanding, patient, and responsive . She was very responsive in to all our questions. She was very helpful giving info on various studies, and making sure we were coming connects to anyone else in the UCSF administration we needed to for the various departments...Demihalt protocol , with omnitrope to help increase number of follicles being stimulated
Molly Dunn made mistakes with our day 5 blasts slated to be tested. We were instructed that the protocol would be we would get a call from the genetic counselor with the day 5 results and then our embryos would be sent to be Pgs tested. We never received a call, were anxious and had to call multiple people at UCSF to relay our message to the genetic counselor to please call us with the results. When we finally reached her she informed she had sent our embryos to the lab . She did not call me, the patient and person she was supposed to contact. She called my husband with this news. She did not wait for our approval to send the blasts. We had not yet given instructions if these blast biopsies were to be tested right away or wait to be beach tested with additional blasts from a future cycle. She took it upon herself to make that decision for us , for no reason except her incompetence .
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She is was very compassionate, understanding, patient, and responsive . She was very responsive in to all our questions. She was very helpful giving info on various studies, and making sure we were coming connects to anyone else in the UCSF administration we needed to for the various departments
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Be honest, ask her any question you want about ivf, you will get great responses and feel well informed about your care
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She listened to me and what my concerns were before giving any suggestions for further treatment . She sympathized with my emotions and took them into account during our consultations
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
Demihalt protocol , with omnitrope to help increase number of follicles being stimulated
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Teona gurkan)
Current nurse Teona gurkan is great. There seems to be high turnover though and I've had two other nurses on the first cycle with dr cedars and three nurses with my other dr 's 3 cycles
Describe your experience with UCSF.
Strengths- certain doctors like Dr cedars are really great, personable , make the process a little easier to get thru. Some of the admin staff though are a challenge to work with . One nurse was inconsistent , gave contradictory info from past nurses and could not explain why the differences, was not helpful in answering questions and did not give clear calendars. One cycle she gave me 3-4 versions because she had to keep fixing items.
The genetic counselor Molly Dunn was incompetent and rude. She was incentive and careless and gave us the wrong info, initially telling us we had 3 Pgs normal embryos when the reality was our 3 embryos were aneuploidy. She corrected herself but did not even apologize acknowledging how hurtful her mistake was. She refused to schedule a call with us to discuss results and only sent emails . She argued with me on the phone when trying to explain herself.
What specific things went wrong at UCSF?
Failed to call with results
Failed to convey critical information
Describe the specific things that went wrong at UCSF.
Molly Dunn made mistakes with our day 5 blasts slated to be tested. We were instructed that the protocol would be we would get a call from the genetic counselor with the day 5 results and then our embryos would be sent to be Pgs tested. We never received a call, were anxious and had to call multiple people at UCSF to relay our message to the genetic counselor to please call us with the results. When we finally reached her she informed she had sent our embryos to the lab . She did not call me, the patient and person she was supposed to contact. She called my husband with this news. She did not wait for our approval to send the blasts. We had not yet given instructions if these blast biopsies were to be tested right away or wait to be beach tested with additional blasts from a future cycle. She took it upon herself to make that decision for us , for no reason except her incompetence .
Marcelle [Dr. Cedars] was incredible, and ultimately when it came time to stop pursuing another child she was very honest, but kind and she sat with us while we cried. I'm forever grateful for her understanding and kindness during the darkest days of my life.
I saw many members of the UCSF fertility team. I could not have been more impressed with every one of them. There was only one doctor I didn't like, but they worked it so I didn't have to see him.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Marcelle Cedars exceeded my expectations in every way. She was amazing, and though I failed IVF and have not been able to have another child, I would still recommend her and UCSF very highly.
My husband and I were very diligent about finding our doctor and we met with several, but we immediately connected with Marcelle. I always felt so lucky to have found the combination of incredible, cutting edge, world-class medicine and a lovely, compassionate bed side manner. Marcelle was incredible, and ultimately when it came time to stop pursuing another child she was very honest, but kind and she sat with us while we cried. I'm forever grateful for her understanding and kindness during the darkest days of my life.
In addition to Marcelle, I saw many members of the UCSF fertility team. I could not have been more impressed with every one of them. There was only one doctor I didn't like, but they worked it so I didn't have to see him. One of the best doctors during that time was Dr. Zamah. Following a retrieval he had to tell me that we didn't get any eggs. That was a really, really hard day, but he sat with me, encouraged me and also showed a level of compassion I didn't expect from UCSF. I always said... I expected amazing medicine, I didn't expect the kindness.
It's painful to go back and remember that time, because unlike many other women, I was not successful and it was the single most painful experience of my life, but I'm more than happy to share my story with any woman going through it. It's not such a unique club anymore, at least not in the Bay Area, but the pain is unique and only those of us who have walked this road truly understand what it's like.
Thank you for putting this together.... I hope it helps many women!
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
I really don't have any advice. I just loved her and thought so highly of her!
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Yes, I always felt known by Marcelle and her team. I found them all to be kind, compassionate and understanding.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Jill Ford)
Jill was ALWAYS so responsive and organized. She answered every question and was always happy to follow-up. The day she had to call me with my pregnancy test results and they were negative, I could just feel how sorry she was she had to give me the news. I felt like she was always rooting for me. When we stopped pursuing IVF, she set me up with the on-staff psychiatrist to talk to me. Jill was great and to this day I feel like I can reach out with any question and she'd get right back to me!
Dr. Cedars was willing to discuss my prognosis and explain the science behind her advice. She was empathetic and kind....I was impressed both with Dr. Cedars' communication and her creativity in approaching my treatment. I'm very evidence-based, and I love how she pulled up research on her computer to show me what the current evidence is on IVF. But she wasn't just a data whiz, she also listened to my experience at my previous clinic and talked about why their approach might not have worked well for me. Then she explained how her approach would be different, and we immediately saw better results. Whenever I was able to see her in clinic or for a transfer, I felt comforted.
The front desk [at UCSF] can be frustrating to deal with. They feel much more institutional than the rest of the staff, and it's here that you really realize you're dealing with a university hospital. Finance in particular can be a big pain. If you have a partner or friend who can advocate for you to deal with the finance people and even for scheduling, that may save you some stress...All of the nursing staff were good. I always felt they could have been a little warmer, because I was always in such a fragile state, but none of them were unkind.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
I was impressed both with Dr. Cedars' communication and her creativity in approaching my treatment. I'm very evidence-based, and I love how she pulled up research on her computer to show me what the current evidence is on IVF. But she wasn't just a data whiz, she also listened to my experience at my previous clinic and talked about why their approach might not have worked well for me. Then she explained how her approach would be different, and we immediately saw better results. Whenever I was able to see her in clinic or for a transfer, I felt comforted.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Insist as much as you can to have her do your retrieval(s) or transfer(s) personally. She's a busy woman so you have to assert yourself. But she's so worth it.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Cedars was willing to discuss my prognosis and explain the science behind her advice. She was empathetic and kind.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
Her approach was to decrease my doses because my previous clinic had me on the highest doses possible and we weren't getting many follicles. Her theory was that I was overstimulated, and that was driving down the quality (and quantity) of eggs. So lower stim doses.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF.
All of the nursing staff were good. I always felt they could have been a little warmer, because I was always in such a fragile state, but none of them were unkind.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
The front desk can be frustrating to deal with. They feel much more institutional than the rest of the staff, and it's here that you really realize you're dealing with a university hospital. Finance in particular can be a big pain. If you have a partner or friend who can advocate for you to deal with the finance people and even for scheduling, that may save you some stress.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
She [Dr. Marcelle Cedars] suggested transferring all embryos if 5 or fewer at Day 3, based on 20% chance at my age (42) of healthy embryo; if 6 or more at Day 3 we hoped to grow to Day 6 for PGS. I was scared of transferring 5 embryos, but took her advice and it worked.... Very experienced, good bedside manner, adjusted information to both my knowledge level and interest (medical field, high detail desired) and my husband's (no medical training, only basics desired). She only does follow-ups with failed cycles- I wish we had one more mtg afterwards.
Clinic coordinators [at UCSF] are fantastic- very supportive and helpful. Lots of time with primary Dr before transfer, but random nurses each visit after. Overall very positive experience, would strongly recommend.... Discount for UCSF employee... estrogen priming antagonist protocol; successful, identical twins... She suggested transferring all embryos if 5 or fewer at Day 3, based on 20% chance at my age (42) of healthy embryo; if 6 or more at Day 3 we hoped to grow to Day 6 for PGS. I was scared of transferring 5 embryos, but took her advice and it worked.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Very experienced, good bedside manner, adjusted information to both my knowledge level and interest (medical field, high detail desired) and my husband's (no medical training, only basics desired). She only does follow-ups with failed cycles- I wish we had one more mtg afterwards.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Ask every question- she'll take the time to answer. Express your fears, she can reassure you.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Cedars was warm, knowledgeable and I never felt rushed in our consultations. She made extra appointments with me as necessary when we were considering our transfer options once the treatment cycle had started but before retrieval. She was empathic and helped me feel good about making the difficult decision to cancel a cycle (at almost age 43 time was tight!) when my grandmother fell ill so I could guarantee travel in case of her passing (which did happen).
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
Clinic coordinators are fantastic- very supportive and helpful. Lots of time with primary Dr before transfer, but random nurses each visit after. Overall very positive experience, would strongly recommend.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
Discount for UCSF employee
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
She suggested transferring all embryos if 5 or fewer at Day 3, based on 20% chance at my age (42) of healthy embryo; if 6 or more at Day 3 we hoped to grow to Day 6 for PGS. I was scared of transferring 5 embryos, but took her advice and it worked.
Dr Cedars is very compassionate and I felt like we were collaborating on my treatment plan...She is very patient and present which was a nice change from the other doctors I’ve seen for infertility. She was willing to try new protocols and changed things in cycle as new things came up...I have DOR and was doing mini IVF cycles and banking embryos for transfer... I also felt she was very talented with procedures and I had the least amount of discomfort when she performed egg retrieval
The clinic is newly constructed and feels like a spa. The lab and embryology suite are state of the art which is in part why we chose UCSF. I appreciated how easy it was to get an appointment and how early the appointments start (6:30am) so I could be seen before work...The nurses have been very attentive and responsive to emails and phone calls. The nurses in the surgical suite were incredibly kind and encouraging
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She is very patient and present which was a nice change from the other doctors I’ve seen for infertility. She was willing to try new protocols and changed things in cycle as new things came up. I also felt she was very talented with procedures and I had the least amount of discomfort when she performed egg retrieval
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Don’t be afraid to ask questions and keep in touch in-cycle. You can email your nurse who will contact your doctor with any concerns.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr Cedars is very compassionate and I felt like we were collaborating on my treatment plan
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
I have DOR and was doing mini IVF cycles and banking embryos for transfer. She had me start with oral Clomid and then add minimal stims.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: KTherine Austin)
The nurses have been very attentive and responsive to emails and phone calls. The nurses in the surgical suite were incredibly kind and encouraging
Describe your experience with UCSF.
The clinic is newly constructed and feels like a spa. The lab and embryology suite are state of the art which is in part why we chose UCSF. I appreciated how easy it was to get an appointment and how early the appointments start (6:30am) so I could be seen before work
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
We paid out of pocket at UCSF. Mini IVf cycles cost around 5-6k
She's [Dr. Marcelle Cedars] very friendly and kind. I was only treated by her briefly- one transfer- so I didn't get to know her well. But she was caring and among the most experienced doctors on staff...I only did one FET with PGS-tested embryos with Dr. Cedars. I was planning to do a single embryo but it thawed poorly, so we thawed a second one and put both. I got pregnant (I'm at 6 weeks now).
I love Teona [nurse at UCSF]! Super responsive, personable, fun to talk to. I depended on her especially since I was out of town...I like the new location. Front desk staff super attentive and sweet. Nurses too. All-around excellent...I only did one FET with PGS-tested embryos with Dr. Cedars. I was planning to do a single embryo but it thawed poorly, so we thawed a second one and put both. I got pregnant (I'm at 6 weeks now).
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
I dealt with her briefly because I was living in Chicago and flew back to SF for the transfer. I mostly dealt with her nurse. But my few interactions with her were positive. My case wasn't complicated.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Make friends with her nurse! She's awesome.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She's very friendly and kind. I was only treated by her briefly- one transfer- so I didn't get to know her well. But she was caring and among the most experienced doctors on staff.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
I only did one FET with PGS-tested embryos with Dr. Cedars. I was planning to do a single embryo but it thawed poorly, so we thawed a second one and put both. I got pregnant (I'm at 6 weeks now).
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Teona Gurkin)
I love Teona! Super responsive, personable, fun to talk to. I depended on her especially since I was out of town.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
I like the new location. Front desk staff super attentive and sweet. Nurses too. All-around excellent.
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
I had two embryos remaining in the freezer, both PGS tested. One looked good (50% chance) and one not so good (15%). The 50% chance one thawed poorly on the day of the transfer, so we ended up putting both. The poor quality embryo appears to have stuck.
When the first cycle failed, as we knew it could, she [Dr Cedars at UCSF Fertility] made adjustments to our protocol, clearly explaining with research and statistics why these changes could potentially help. Before our second cycle I questioned whether or not it was worth trying again due to my poor egg quality. She was very honest in her assessment but encouraged us to not give up yet. I am happy we trusted her.
When the first cycle failed, as we knew it could, she [Dr Cedars at UCSF Fertility] made adjustments to our protocol, clearly explaining with research and statistics why these changes could potentially help. Before our second cycle I questioned whether or not it was worth trying again due to my poor egg quality. She was very honest in her assessment but encouraged us to not give up yet. I am happy we trusted her.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
I appreciated Dr. Cedars approach to our care at UCSF. She was warm, but realistic about setting expectations. She was very familiar with the latest techniques and research, but did not recommend extra treatments when she felt the cost outweighed the potential benefit. Ultimately she told us to plan for two IVF cycles. When the first cycle failed, as we knew it could, she made adjustments to our protocol, clearly explaining with research and statistics why these changes could potentially help. Before our second cycle I questioned whether or not it was worth trying again due to my poor egg quality. She was very honest in her assessment but encouraged us to not give up yet. I am happy we trusted her. We are now less than two months away from welcoming our first child, with three very good quality embryos frozen to potentially try for a sibling later. Given our diagnosis - very few eggs due to diminished ovarian reserve, endometriosis, and severe male factor infertility - this outcome is better than we ever really expected.
Dr Cedars did not always review my records before appointments, and on multiple occasions, made mistakes, including regarding my prescription dosage, timing of blood tests, etc.
Poor organization. It was really a problem that I was not assigned one particular person on the staff. No one took responsibility for reviewing my records and keeping me on top of testing.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Like I said, she did not review my records before appointments and would mis-remember dates and other information, which seemed to me quite critical for the course of treatment.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
See someone else in the practice. She is overloaded and will likely not give your case the attention it needs.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
The care team was very poorly organized. Dr Cedars did not always review my records before appointments, and on multiple occasions, made mistakes, including regarding my prescription dosage, timing of blood tests, etc.
Describe your experience with the nursing staff at UCSF.
Poor organization. It was really a problem that I was not assigned one particular person on the staff. No one took responsibility for reviewing my records and keeping me on top of testing.
What specific things went wrong at UCSF?
Failed to call in prescriptions to pharmacy
Lost appointments
Failed to call with results
Failed to order appropriate test
Provided conflicting information
Failed to convey critical information
Scheduled the wrong procedure
Describe the specific things that went wrong at UCSF.
I had lots of problems with the UCSF Fertility practice: 1. wrong dosage on prescription given (which Dr Cedars later acknowledged and apologized for) 2. wrong dates given for post-cycle testing (expensive and creating a wasted cycle) 3. failure to test if I was _already_ pregnant before prescribing me a round of fertility drugs which are absolutely not meant for pregnant women 4. mistakenly canceled appointment with Dr Cedars with my rescheduling etc etc
Dr. Cedars is brilliant, compassionate, and someone who is the absolute best at practicing evidence-based medicine. Although my own egg cycles did not result in children, they were quite impressive in how many perfect 3-day embryos we managed to get out of the number of follicles I had. And though our donor cycles did result in 2 amazing boys, the retrieval and fertilization numbers were not as good as we had expected. Dr. Cedars acknowledged this and took responsibility for perhaps overstimming the donor. But in the end, it mattered not to us because we are glad we didn't have leftover embryos. Dr. Cedars seems to care about everything from the science and statistics to the emotional experience of those of us ttc...
Jill [at UCSF - San Francisco] was very responsive via email and phone. When I had a strong positive beta that went south, I could hear the distress and compassion from her when she had to tell me. I know she felt bad because the original call was a "congrats, US in 6 weeks!" Then she had to tell me about the numbers not doubling and give me a shred of hope but still communicating the reality that the pregnancy was not likely to continue...
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Cedars is brilliant, compassionate, and someone who is the absolute best at practicing evidence-based medicine. Although my own egg cycles did not result in children, they were quite impressive in how many perfect 3-day embryos we managed to get out of the number of follicles I had. And though our donor cycles did result in 2 amazing boys, the retrieval and fertilization numbers were not as good as we had expected. Dr. Cedars acknowledged this and took responsibility for perhaps overstimming the donor. But in the end, it mattered not to us because we are glad we didn't have leftover embryos. Dr. Cedars seems to care about everything from the science and statistics to the emotional experience of those of us ttc.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Don't be afraid to ask her lots of questions and let her know how you feel.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: JIll)
Jill was very responsive via email and phone. When I had a strong positive beta that went south, I could hear the distress and compassion from her when she had to tell me. I know she felt bad because the original call was a "congrats, US in 6 weeks!" Then she had to tell me about the numbers not doubling and give me a shred of hope but still communicating the reality that the pregnancy was not likely to continue.
She travels a lot to conferences which means she's not always as available - but that also makes her more savvy about new treatments and technologies.
If you like to see the same doctor throughout the treatment, you may have to be patient and wait until she is in town for long enough.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She's a great doctor with lots of experience as she is the head of the practice. She travels a lot to conferences which means she's not always as available - but that also makes her more savvy about new treatments and technologies.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Schedule a face to face visit with dr Cedars to make sure you understand her treatment plan. If you like to see the same doctor throughout the treatment, you may have to be patient and wait until she is in town for long enough.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr Cedars took the time to talk to us and explain everything to us. She seemed to care about us as individuals and really thought about personalizing the treatment, as opposed to just doing the regular protocol that is done for most women at the clinic.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Jill Ford)
Very organized and responded to emails very quickly which was critical to me. Especially when waiting for pregnancy test results!!!
Under Dr. Cedars care, I only saw her twice, in her office - the very first time and then a requested follow up meeting (for an additional $130). She was never truly my doctor as she never saw me in the examining room - EVER! ... She didn't think I was a candidate for IVF. If I could do it over again, I'd skip the IUI, and go straight to IVF. ... The exact procedure Dr. Cedars recommended for me. ... if you're over 35, don't waste your time here.
UCSF are more interested in research and attending conferences then actually attending to patients. If you want personal care, don't go here. You will be a number and don't even get me started with their billing department. ... [Nurse] Ruthie - she always seemed "out to lunch" like this was always her first time or something. ... IUI costs range from $800-$1,000 a cycle. ... if you're over 35, don't waste your time here. ... and find a clinic that cares.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Cedars is a great face to the clinic but it seems she and UCSF are more interested in research and attending conferences then actually attending to patients. If you want personal care, don't go here. You will be a number and don't even get me started with their billing department.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
If you need "light assistance" and don't have anything "wrong" with you - then go here, i.e. get prescribe clomid, otherwise, don't waste time, and find a clinic that cares. Also, if you're over 35, don't waste your time here.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Under Dr. Cedars care, I only saw her twice, in her office - the very first time and then a requested follow up meeting (for an additional $130). She was never truly my doctor as she never saw me in the examining room - EVER!
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
IUI only. She didn't think I was a candidate for IVF. If I could do it over again, I'd skip the IUI, and go straight to IVF. And according to Resolve, women over 35 shouldn't waste their time with IUI's. The exact procedure Dr. Cedars recommended for me.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Jill )
Ruthie - she always seemed "out to lunch" like this was always her first time or something.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
Already did.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
IUI costs range from $800-$1,000 a cycle.
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
n/a
What specific things went wrong at UCSF?
Lost paperwork
Lost appointments
Failed to call with results
Failed to order appropriate test
Failed to inform you of changes in protocol
Provided conflicting information
Failed to convey critical information
Canceled a cycle due to clinic error
Scheduled the wrong procedure
Describe the specific things that went wrong at UCSF.
Dr. Cedars is busy, but when you have her attention she gives it to you fully. She spends time and will call at the end of a busy day to explain things further...(+) Knowledgeable, Kind, Thorough, Straight-shooter yet also lighthearted/upbeat, Tireless, Seems like she genuinely enjoys what she does (-) Not readily available, especially during cycles using my own eggs. Seems separated from the treatment.
Donor Egg Cycle - $22K Mini IVF cycle - $7000...[UCSF is] Big, can feel impersonal at times, but excellent care and caring doctors...Dr. Cedars is busy, but when you have her attention she gives it to you fully. She spends time and will call at the end of a busy day to explain things further...(+) Knowledgeable, Kind, Thorough, Straight-shooter yet also lighthearted/upbeat, Tireless, Seems like she genuinely enjoys what she does (-) Not readily available, especially during cycles using my own eggs. Seems separated from the treatment.
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
(+) Knowledgeable, Kind, Thorough, Straight-shooter yet also lighthearted/upbeat, Tireless, Seems like she genuinely enjoys what she does
(-) Not readily available, especially during cycles using my own eggs. Seems separated from the treatment.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Dr. Cedars is busy, but when you have her attention she gives it to you fully. She spends time and will call at the end of a busy day to explain things further.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
Mini IVF
DonorEgg
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Jill Ford)
On the ball, a direct line to Dr. Cedars. Smart, compassionate, efficient.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
Big, can feel impersonal at times, but excellent care and caring doctors.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
We primarily worked with Dr. Cedars...extremely knowledgeable, experienced and personable...goes above and beyond to help her patients and make them successful...started with IUI , which did not work then I wanted to switch to IVF...her experience to identify and assess each patient carefully and customize treatment, which makes her unique
[UCSF ] financial team is weak and slow...Team is very helpful, available on all days weekends, holidays, prompt with communication...We are highly appreciate of the entire staff at CRH-UCSF, everyone is very helpful, humble and caring...we have gone here not once but twice and both times very happy and successful
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
We highly recommend this CRH-UCSF clinic, as we have gone here not once but twice and both times very happy and successful. Dr. Marcelle I. Cedars and other doctors are phenomenal. We primarily worked with Dr. Cedars. She is extremely knowledgeable, experienced and personable. She goes above and beyond to help her patients and make them successful. We are highly appreciate of the entire staff at CRH-UCSF, everyone is very helpful, humble and caring.
What's one piece of advice would you give a prospective patient of Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
She is the head of the center, so it takes time to get her appointments, however its definitely worth the wait
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
We highly recommend this CRH-UCSF clinic, as we have gone here not once but twice and both times very happy and successful. Dr. Marcelle I. Cedars and other doctors are phenomenal. We primarily worked with Dr. Cedars. She is extremely knowledgeable, experienced and personable. She goes above and beyond to help her patients and make them successful. We are highly appreciate of the entire staff at CRH-UCSF, everyone is very helpful, humble and caring.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
We started with IUI , which did not work then I wanted to switch to IVF considering my busy schedule. Dr. Cedars highly recommended that while we work on IVF we try another round of IUI, which was successful bcos of which we did not need IVF. Considering our first kid, we went back to Dr.Cedars for IVF, which is also going amazing.. Its her experience to identify and assess each patient carefully and customize treatment, which makes her unique..
Describe your experience with the nursing staff at UCSF.
We are highly appreciate of the entire staff at CRH-UCSF, everyone is very helpful, humble and caring.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
clinic financial team is weak and slow, they definitely need to work on that else they phenomenal overall. Team is very helpful, available on all days weekends, holidays, prompt with communication.
We highly recommend this CRH-UCSF clinic, as we have gone here not once but twice and both times very happy and successful. Dr. Marcelle I. Cedars and other doctors are phenomenal. We primarily worked with Dr. Cedars. She is extremely knowledgeable, experienced and personable. She goes above and beyond to help her patients and make them successful. We are highly appreciate of the entire staff at CRH-UCSF, everyone is very helpful, humble and caring.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
Dr Cedars presented two protocols given my background...Treatment plan was hyper personalized...was very patient with me and addressed all my questions and would be very prompt in following up after any of the procedures...saw Dr Cedars for almost 6-8 months before my IVF cycle for my ashermans
UCSF was they were also involved in a number of clinical research studies...They offered my varies treatments for ashermans including PRP...very efficient in monitoring. Appointment scheduled we're very structured...facilities are very nice and modern...Sam was fantastic, very responsive and very helpful throughout the process
How was your experience with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
I appreciate Dr Cedars honest and direct manner. She was very patient with me and addressed all my questions and would be very prompt in following up after any of the procedures. She also explained my options and took my preference into consideration when determining the best path forward. I saw Dr Cedars for almost 6-8 months before my IVF cycle for my ashermans and she was very thoughtful in her approach and always made me feel heard. I have recommended Dr Cedars to many of my friends who have all had good experiences with her.
During treatment, were you treated like a number or a human with Marcelle Cedars at UCSF?
Treatment plan was hyper personalized and Dr Cedars spent a lot of time answering my questions and concerns and being very honest about expected outcomes. She did it in a very human way and allowed me to experience the emotions.
Describe the protocols Marcelle Cedars used in your cycles at UCSF and their degree of success.
Dr Cedars presented two protocols given my background. One involved higher dosages of medication and the other was a lower dose option. She recommend that I could do either and she's seen success with similar patients with my background but given my history, she felt the lower dose option would be more tolerable. My cycle took 1+ week longer than typically as my follicles were growing slowly. The team at UCSF followed my closely and in one of those appointments the results were strange so Dr Cedars asked that I come see her the next day so she could check herself and determine path forward. Based on my diminished ovarian reserve and low follicle count we were expecting maybe 6 eggs retrieved and were planning to do multiple rounds (likely 4). But with this protocol, we ended up retrieving 22 eggs and ended with 10 pgta tested day 5/6 embryos. We were very pleased surprised with the results.
Describe your experience with your nurse at UCSF. (Assigned nurse: Sam England)
Sam was fantastic, very responsive and very helpful throughout the process. She was very patient as I asked questions after question and it was great to know that she would respond quickly to anything I sent over the portal. She was also great about questions where she didn't have the answer. She would consult with Dr Cedars and come back to me or ask Dr Cedars to call me which I really appreciate. She made the whole process so much easier and was so good about explaining everything around the medications. Overall the nursing staff at UCSF was great, very considerate and caring and I saw so many different people throughout the process but it was nice to know that ultimately Dr Cedars and Sam were always reviewing my results and determining path forward and my main points of contact. It would not have been such a good experience without Sam.
Describe your experience with UCSF.
One of the reasons I picked UCSF was they were also involved in a number of clinical research studies. Whilst I didn't participate in them, I wanted to ensure my team was up to date with the latest research and were following the best techniques based on that. They offered my varies treatments for ashermans including PRP. Their team was very efficient in monitoring. Appointment scheduled we're very structured so you would go into the clinic in the morning for your ultrasound and blood work and hear back on next steps from your nursing team by 1-3pm the same day. The consistently really helped. It was nice that they had all the facilities right there in the same location and had separate areas for everything. Their facilities are very nice and modern which I appreciated. One item that was challenging as a patient was for each monitoring appointment you are seeing whichever nurse or doctor who was working that day, whilst most were great, there were 1-2 that I didn't like as much as they were clear on how I was going or what I should expect next. But it was good having Sam and Dr Cedars to navigate.
Describe the costs associated with your care under Marcelle Cedars at UCSF.
My cycles were covered by my insurance (progeny and Aetna)
Describe Marcelle Cedars's approach to eSET (elective single embryo transfer) vs. multiple embryo transfer at UCSF.
No comments, I was happy to do a single embryo transfer
What specific things went wrong at UCSF?
Provided conflicting information
Describe the specific things that went wrong at UCSF.
I had 1-2 people who were part of the team monitoring me who gave me unclear guidance on next steps. It was informal guidance as the formal next steps were always provided via message once the results were reviewed by the doctors. But this was just unhelpful and I did not like seeing those individuals again.